<TITLE>05. Par 17-20</TITLE>L-17 And He said, "Well, you mean to tell me that woman could have a baby without being..." Said, "That was Joseph that man that she was going with, it was a little slip-up, like we have all the time."
I said, "Oh, no, no. God makes no slip-ups. That was absolutely God's Son."
He said, "Well, there is no such a thing."
I said, "You mean there's not a Creator Who made the heavens and earth?"
He said, "No, of course not." He said, "Oh, it's psychology."
I said, "Well, how did the world get here."
Said, "It was here when I come here."
And I said, "Yes, that's right. And the room you was borned in was there when you got there. And the furniture was arranged, but some intelligence had to arrange it that way, that's exact..."
Why, if... It would be silly if I'd say, "Well, how did that watch come?" Well, it's just a watch that's all; it just happened to be a watch. Well, now the timing, the jewels and everything, anybody with... was mentally balanced right would know that some intelligent made that watch. Had to time it, and regulate it, and put the hands, and jewels and the operation.

L-18 Well, then how much greater is your body than this watch? See, because it was a man that made this watch. And somebody had to make the man. So a person says that we just happened to be, that shows there's a mental deficiency somewhere. That's right, it...
So he said, "Well, now," he begin to tell me the ethics of Darwin and so forth, about how evolution came in to exist. How the world and the sun and the moon, you've read it perhaps, had a love affair and chipped off a little piece and it flew off and that made the world.
And the first man was a sponge, and he wore a little wart on this side and out come an arm. And then he decided he wanted a little arm on the other side, so he rolled a few thousand years over on that side, another arm come out.

L-19 I said, "Look, fellow, I'm kinda weak in faith." I said, "I--I don't believe that; I can't believe it." I said, "I just believe the way God said it was." I--I said, "The only way you can prove that's by faith. You can't prove it any other way." And I said, "My faith's too weak for that." I said, "I just... I haven't got that much faith. I just believe that God made it the way He said He did."
And He said--I said, "The..." He said, "Oh," about the virgin birth, he said, "it's--it's proven, Reverend Branham, that--that corn, everything else has to have a pollen. The--the pollen from the corn, and for the trees, and how the bees pack it; and everything has to have actual male and female."
I said, "Sure, there was a male in this respect." I said, "That was God."
"Well, is God a man?"
I said, "God's a spirit."
"Oh, impossible to contact the actual human being, it has to be the sex part."

L-20 I said, "Oh, no." I said, "Now, look, you will admit to me, will you, that the woman had the baby? We'll say that that was right, the woman had the baby, and He was Jesus."
"Yes, that--that--I'll go with you that far, 'cause there's some kind of a something's going on through the world and to come down in history, and so forth that there was One here called Jesus, but He wasn't no virgin borned."
I said, "Then we'll admit that He had a natural mother."
"Yes."
"Now, He... In your estimation He'd have to have an--an actual father, a earthly man here to be His father or He could not of been born."
He said, "That's exactly right."
I said, "Will you stick with that, Mr. Jeffries?"
He said, "I will."


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